What If #6 – Morganthe

After a lengthy delay, the series is alas returned! In this installment, we’ll talk about the devious 2nd arc villain, Morganthe!

Morganthe-and-her-CrewWe are first introduced to the new villain, Morganthe, when we are in Celestia, and she appears from time to time through the next few worlds. She is trying to master Celestial magic, and more importantly, the Song of Creation, so she can destroy everything in the spiral. (Spoiler time.. if you haven’t done the 2nd arc yet, please continue on with caution!)

After our travels, facing her brother Sir Malory, and even going into her visions to see how she became the spider queen she is, we eventually defeat her JUST before she masters the song. She falls through a glass floor (A+ to whoever designed that room.. they were gunning for her from the start!), and is perceived to be lost in the spiral space forever. What a life she lived, my oh my.

We could cover multiple aspects of Morganthe.. from what if she didn’t get expelled.. to what if she comes back.. but for this installment of What If..

What If Morganthe never recruited Malistaire? (Through Azteca, you are teased that Morganthe has a new best friend, called the Dark Servant. When you get to Xibalba, it is revealed to be Malistaire.. but in Undying form! Morganthe had used shadow magic to give Malistaire life again!)

Leave your comment below, and feel free to comment on any other what if scenario regarding our spider queen! Happy brainstorming!

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  • Blaze MeOut

    Well as long as mailstaire died in darkmoor I am so done with the 2nd arc

  • Ethan Breeze

    However, Malistaire was continued after Morganthe died (Darkmoor was created). PLOT TWIST: Malistaire mastered shadow magic that could bring him back from the dead (Which is why he had a shadow transformation in Darkmoor), and he was planning to overthrow Morganthe because he deemed her weak. However, after being defeated four times (Dragonspyre, Xibalba, and twice in Darkmoor), Malistaire’s spell did not work on him; it didn’t need to work on him. It brought the spirit of his wife back, who told him the error of his ways. Does this mean that we helped Morganthe? The world may never know.

    (Btw, this is something I came up with in 5 minutes, don’t judge but feel free to correct me)

    I may have wasted your time ๐Ÿ˜›

    • ChaPop08

      Malistaire ended up in Darkmoor after being blown away from Xibalba and was not planning to overthrow Morganthe. The timeline of Darkmoor’s events seems to have occured after the second arc (Even though one can complete it before Morganthe).

    • Billy Garvey

      But didn’t darkmoor happen after khrysalis, so Morganthe was already gone

  • Chase Stormhammer

    MALISTAIRE NEW SHADOW TEACHER AT RAVENWOOD

    • The Balance Wizard Soloer

      lol!

    • I THROUGH TOO but morganthe be better ๐Ÿ˜› but do want for a spell as shadow magic dark shadow magic transformation when malistaire turn black ๐Ÿ™‚ from darkmoor but to get frisky with spell (least KI fit some spell so, pvp be unbalance at least?

      • The Balance Wizard Soloer

        balance needs a new aoe as well as ice

        • Laurel Balanceblade

          I don’t think balance needs an Aoe but i think storm shouldn’t get anymore Aoe’s 4 now

          • The Balance Wizard Soloer

            I disagree. Last time balance got a aoe spell was in celestia which was Ra, before that powernova, and before sand storm. The same with ice. Snow angel, frost giant, blizzard.

          • Laurel Balanceblade

            Then fire too needs an Aoe right?

          • MatthewLegendCaster

            fire has four aoes too lol meteor, scald, dragon, volcano. Only school that needs an aoe is a low pip one for life

          • The Balance Wizard Soloer

            exactly what i was going to say lol

          • Luke Death

            I personally don’t consider Fossil or Serpent an AOE. The AOE damage they do is so little, and the single target damage is so high, people don’t use it for the AOE, they use it for the single target damage.

          • The Balance Wizard Soloer

            Either way, it’s still considered an aoe spell. You have no idea how long it takes to blade stack for Ra to actually hit a decent amount of damage. (Idk man I’m just saying, that’s my opinion)

          • nobody

            well balanceblades are weaker then regular ones so its reasoneble that it would take longer…

          • The Balance Wizard Soloer

            Another reason why balance should get a stronger aoe spell

          • MatthewLegendCaster

            not until life gets a low pip one

          • nobody

            not really. wat balance needs is another blade spell (voting dragonblade here) so they can power up their spells better.

          • nobody

            with the pets yes. the trained version of sun serpent has a meteor like aoe damage and if bladed corectly you can deal a couple of k in damage to all enemy’s after the main big hit. but yeah meteor like damage is pretty low at top level. what i dont understand tough is why they gave fossil a aoe dot effect while giving serpent an aoe single hit. shouldnt it be the other way around considering fire is the dot school and not death?

          • The Balance Wizard Soloer

            and also sun serpent!

          • MatthewLegendCaster

            then we’d have to count fossil for death

          • Billy Garvey

            I want a new death aeo D: tired of farming gems and stuff and having to wait for the dot to kill

          • MatthewLegendCaster

            I think life should get a low pip aoe before death gets another one xd

          • fossil isn’t much as good spell as sun serpent because OVERTIME spell to wreak & low damage spell
            I do agree balance need aoe but shouldn’t be getting on because have lormaster but reason why chance older crafting spell didn’t have buff so, be loremaster so, everyone have loremaster someone told me allot people complain about crafting spell that as most crafting spell they was going charge lormaster to 6 pips but didn’t buff older crafting spell so, be more useable make more like as op as loremaster

          • MatthewLegendCaster

            they should buff lore a tiny amount (20-30 damage maybe to make up) and make lore five pips so it’s less spammable

          • MatthewLegendCaster

            same with weaver possibly, since lifes like to spam the heck out of that too. but it’s not as good as lore

          • Billy Garvey

            Storm lives on aoes because its a hitting school for pve, as well as PvP. It relies on heavy hitting to all enemies

        • I agree with aoe for ice but when does myth ever get healing spell? but ice better healing spell something more different the snow drift because everybody want healing spell own school don’t carry life spell chaos!
          some people think dispel shield, spear shield would break the game?

          • nobody

            ice doesnt need another aoe, they got plenty. i would love to see dispel shields as ive seen a dispel trap before (tough i think they removed it from the game). also pierce is a problem yes. i would say increase the potency of pierce by allowing it to also pierce crit block and stun block at the same amount as it would pierce trough resist at the same time and in return lower the amount of pierce given by gear and or spells (for example reduce shrike pierce to 30% and infallible pierce to 5%. reduce darkmoor gear pierce to ~15% etc.
            this should make mega pierce a lot more difficult or even impossible without to much complaints since the effectivness is increased, making it more potent again. we should just be carefull not to increase pierce too much tough otherwise crit monsters will become trully terrifying.

        • StevenRT

          Storm needs an Dot, Storm has NO dot spells at all i:

    • Wolf FireBreath

      OH MY… I would never step into his class room ever (he would kill me for having al of his armor :0)

  • Then we would have a chance of defeating Morganthe on Xibalba before she destroys Azteca, and the prophecy wouldn’t be fulfilled.

  • Paul Stormheart

    If she didn’t recruitt Malistaire, she would have had to face us
    herself on Xibalba, which would end with us beating her. But since
    Morganthe’s doings are lead by the prophecy, she had get Malistaire’s help..
    Also
    if she didn’t ressurect Malistaire, most likely Shane von Shane (star)
    would have been the hardest guy to beat in darkmoor…. or Old cob could
    have been the mastermind there…
    So many possibilities.

  • Fred Mythslinger

    Darkmoor wouldn’t exist, that’s for certain. But as for the main story, nothing would have changed. Remember Malistaire stayed on Xibalba because he wanted to, while Morganthe still fled. Xibalba would be one fight shorter and that’s about it.

    • Yoan Dimov

      you’re so wrong, that’s just all i’m gonna say.

      • Fred Mythslinger

        Then please explain to me what I’m wrong about. From my perspective, Malistaire the Undying had 0 impact on Morganthe’s story.

        • Yoan Dimov

          read me and mustang sally’s coversation and you’ll see.

        • Yoan Dimov

          ok saw that you did

  • BigBantBeast

    Just gonna say a little on a few minor miscommunications I’m noticing. Firstly, to the author, Morganthe didn’t use Shadow Magic to resurrect Malistaire (Shadow Magic wasn’t realized until Khrysalis). Morganthe gained control of enough necromancy from the native Aztecosaurs at the Pyramid of the Black Sun in Three Winds to revive Malistaire. Second, to commenters, Malistaire obtained Shadow Magic by floating in the Outer Void of the Spiral for so long (as it would appear Shadow Magic fills the spaces between worlds).That aside…
    Had Morganthe not resurrected Malistaire, we wouldn’t have the Darkmoor storyline (but we still could go to Darkmoor, just different). Shane von Shane would never have been usurped, but a lot of the characters in Castle Darkmoor would still be enthralled in his sinister ploy. If we went there, we would have Shane von Shane as the main “villain” to beat and liberate the castle. Also, Morganthe wouldn’t have caused any disturbances on Dragonspyre (while minor) to claim Malistaire’s body. Events in the beginning of Azteca would be less necromantic, what with the Cenote and Mangrove Marsh being overrun with Zombie Aztectosaurs, and everyone would probably think the new Aztecosaur King was “awesome” (since the Undead wouldn’t have revealed him being as unskilled).
    A quick critique, I do wish KI had given Morganthe more of an Anti-Hero faรงade. Morganthe’s goals were to ultimately learn Shadow Magic to reshape the Spiral in her image. That philosophy would reveal that something in the Spiral is not to her liking, that there’s something fundamentally wrong with the worlds, but that reason was never revealed. It gave the impression that she was out to do this to prove something. But I feel if her actions were for a greater good, it would have added more depth to her. But I still admire her all the same.

    • Sorcerer OwlHeart

      Well, if her past is any indication: the spiral, at least to her, is not a very nice place.

      Her brother, Sir Malory, ends up dying as a traitor and a monster for trying to make Avalon a better place, -at least in his mind (“the land will wither under his rule”).

      She is then repremanded by her master, Ambrose for trying to learn about a strange artifact she found
      (“I’m so dissapointed in you, morganthe”)

      Finally, after staying with Ambrose, and advancing her studies; in trying to learn the secrets of astral magic, she is not only scolded again by her new proffesor (Malistare) and her old master (Ambrose) but is expelled from Ravenwood, and left to wander the spiral to quench her never-ending curiosity.

      Then, this girl who has had everything taken away from her, her family, her friends, and even her magic, comes across this civilization of spiders who claim that she is some sort of shadow queen who will rebuild the spiral in her image. She is important now, and she is valued.

      I guess you could say she has a personal vendetta against the spiral is unfair for giving her such a hard life, helped by the fact that she was chosen to rebuild the spiral.

      Actually, I have just realized that something.
      While Malistare thought life was unfair because his wife was taken from him, Morganthe thought life was unfair because she was forced to live through all of the bad stuff that happened to her.

      • BigBantBeast

        Dude, I think you just blew my mind…
        Revisiting at all the details, Morganthe really had it rough (I lot of this I knew btw, but it’s been sometime since I finished the second arc). I find it really cool and fascinating how they made Morganthe very deliberate in her desires as a villain, but also sympathetic as a human all through subtext rather than making it blatant with Malistaire (which wasn’t a bad thing, just different). I think it would’ve been nice to see Morganthe’s vision and see her perception of the Spiral in her image. Would it have truly been a better place? Despite her heinous actions, would Morganthe in command really have been a bad thing?
        (Sees state of Azteca)
        Maybe…
        But it would be cool just to see a concept of that Spiral. Perhaps the next arc will expand more off that. I really wonder what Old Cob is up to.

    • riley

      she was an interesting character her and mailistaires end goals were opposite each other she did what she did in the end cause she felt she had been mistreated that being said in the beginning she didnt want anyone hurt. malistaires reasoning was that he just wanted his wife back …his family he just chose a wrong path same with morganthe

  • Mustang Sally

    One thing ought to be made very clear right now: Morganthe used the help of the parasaur necromancers (most likely Skurkis Screaming Moon) to shackle Malistaire as a wraith, not Shadow magic. Belloq tells us of the necromancers’ involvement at Three Points.

    Morganthe needed Malistaire because she could NOT raise the Lords of Night, even with the necromancers’ assistance. Tikal Stormclaw in the Pyramid of the Storm Eye confirms that Malistaire was the only one raising the Aztecosaurs of old from their graves.

    That having been said, had Morganthe and the necromancers not raised Malistaire, then Morganthe would not have been able to enslave the Lords of Night. Therefore, without Malistaire, Morganthe would never have learned the Song of Creation.

    Furthermore, Morganthe would never have left Azteca without the Lords of Night, so if Malistaire had been allowed to rest, Azteca would still be here with us today. The horn never would have called. The sky never would have fallen. Malistaire Drake’s transformation was the dawn of Azteca’s judgment day.

    • Yoan Dimov

      I agree on this. Morganthe would have had to find another way to enslave the lords of night (if there is another way). Malistaire would have never come back to life so there would have been no Darkmoor.
      Also even a bigger thing. We would have never went to krysalis, zen zen sevenstar and inyanga whitestripes would have never became a part of the council of light, AND most importantly, we would have never woken up OLD COB and learned SHADOW MAGIC! If we never woke up old cob the spiral wouldn’t have been in danger because of old cob’s “children” causing havoc in the worlds mentioned by old cob. Shadow magic would not have been in our hands so we wouldn’t have known about it which would have changed a lot of things that happened past azteca. Xibalba wouldn’t have been a threat to azteca and their kind wouldn’t have went instinct.
      There would have been a lot of things different and a lot of mysteries never learned if Morganthe hadn’t woken up Malistaire.

      • Mustang Sally

        On that note, since Azteca’s continued existence was unknown to the rest of the Spiral until that quetzal arrived at the observatory, its survival might have meant a lot to trade between worlds. Other Monquistadors would have followed that nutty Ponce de Gibbon in search of lost treasures, and even the Valencian Armada might have involved itself.

        Who knows? Maybe Three Points had some connection to El Dorado. Unfortunately, neither Monquista nor Valencia has the means of recovering any such secret from the shattered world.

        • Yoan Dimov

          I Know right! Morganthe may have helped by destroying Azteca because if she hadn’t then the valencian armada may have started a spiral war ( basically a world war but in the spiral) with the help of monquistans!
          The armada is extremely strong and the war would be savage with a lot of destruction to other worlds. So there may have been other worlds destroyed if Azteca hadn’t taken the sacrifice.
          Or on the other hand, Azteca would have build a strong empire and helped destroy the valencians and Kane forever and no longer have to worry about them!
          I wonder which one would have happened? Really interesting how the spiral would have turned out. Maybe we should be happy how it turned out or try to change the past?

          • riley

            yea but the valencian armada even if they did try to fight a meta wizard at that point would be blobs of slag from just one school let alone seven

    • Fred Mythslinger

      If this is the case, then one major question arises: What about Malistaire allowed HIM to summon them anyway? Sure he was good, but his Mastery of Death was self-proclaimed, and basically worthless.

      • Yoan Dimov

        who’s him and them?

        • Fred Mythslinger

          Him = Malistaire
          Them = The Lords of Night
          Sorry for the confusion, that’s my fault.

      • Yoan Dimov

        and whoever you’re talking about, Malistaire’s death mastery or power is not a worthless thing. he was the strongest necromancer, even stronger than Morganthe because she couldn’t wake up the lords of night without the full help of Malistaire. Not just anybody can get their hands on the krokonomikan and know how to use it and be able to wake up the great dragon titan! Malistaire was actually in his own secret way, using Morganthe to summon him, so he can summon the lords of night, and then he was gonna secretly use the lords of night to bring back Sylvia Drake to life! It was a great plan but the only problem was his desire to fight us and try to destroy us in xibalba was really great, maybe even greater than the desire to bring back sylvia ( but probably not), but how was he suppose to know that a piece of xibalba would break and have him float into the endless space and NOTE: WE NEVER DEFEATED MALISTAIRE AT XIBALBA, HE WAS IMMUNE TO ANY HITS, THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS HE WAS USING SO MUCH POWER THAT IT HAD A PIECE OF THE COMET BREAK AND TAKE HIM WITH IT.

        • Fred Mythslinger

          1. And what happened at the Great Spyre? He died. To a student Wizard. With a 1/7 chance to be a Necromancer just like him. MLG Pro status over 9,000!

          2. Um, no. Malistaire was perfectly fine in Death. He was with Sylvia, and was happy. Implied in both The Great Spyre and Darkmoor. The reason he continued to try and revive Sylvia in Darkmoor was because he was brought back to life. He just wants to be with Sylvia, that’s it.

          3. What level are you? Because we did kill Malistaire once and for all. Darkmoor. He turned into a Spirit and he and Sylvia walked to the Outer Void. (Except this time he was even STRONGER!) We could of just as easily killed him at Xibalba if he didn’t float away. And I don’t think he caused the comet to break, it kind of just did. Pieces of Xibalba were flying all around you, but they weren’t a result of Malistaire’s power.

          4. I’m pretty sure boss cheats don’t say anything about their character. Is Lyon Lorestriker lonely with his everlasting party? Is Shane really fond of Monster parties? Do the Ice Titan’s sons love to play tag?

          • Yoan Dimov

            1. He didn’t die to a “STUDENT”, He died to many STUDENTS. I’m pretty sure malistaire would be really hard to solo at level 50, I’m sure someone can solo him on that level but not everybody can. Try to solo him at level 50 and then come back.
            2. He wasn’t “perfectly fine in death.” Is it better to die and be with your wife or is it better to live and be with your wife? He prefered to live again and he knew the lords of night could help bring his wife back.
            3. Try to kill him in xibalba and then come back and tell us “we could have easily killed him.” What are the chances of a piece of rock randomly breaking exactly underneath malistaire but not one bit under us? Malistaire was using so much power, more than us, that it had a piece of the comet shatter right underneath him, if we were using as much power as malistaire it would have happened to us and a great example is how come the glass shatter right underneath morganthe after she started consuming so much power, not before she started consuming it? It’s because she was using so much power, That’s the most logical explanation.
            4. IDK why you’re talking about boss cheats because I never said anything about boss cheats. Also, I am pretty sure the bosses have no reason to lie to us and that there is a high chance they were being honest.

          • Wolf FireBreath

            I soloed him at lvl 50 before advanced pets came out, I was also a pvp knight without trying lol

          • Yoan Dimov

            cool bro

          • nobody

            he considers malistairs immunity a cheat, wich is why he brought up the boss cheats.

          • Yoan Dimov

            oh ok

          • riley

            actually i soloed him at 50 he was happy and at peace in the other side then the chanting sucked him out look up the darkmoor grave yard dialogue sylvia explains everything so no he didnt want to be brought back the wraith side of the curse mad him mad with power and the only reason he served morganthe was he was forced to by the curse she used to wake him

          • Yoan Dimov

            I’m pretty sure though he’d actually rather live than just float around as a spirit in the other side. I’m not saying he wasn’t happy in the other side I’m just saying I think if he could choose between being a spirit in the other world or being alive again he’d choose being alive again. Also after we kill morganthe he is freed from her curse but is still full of rage and wants revenge because of all the shadow he gained had messed with his head and thoughts.

        • riley

          the necronomicon didnt wake the titan it had the spell to undo death itself he used the fact it had woken just under a decade before to wake it just like waking some one up after they have only been asleep for a few minutes besides waking fire incarnate can’t be done with a book of the dead thus why the titan didn’t fully awaken it took multiple necromancers to waken him the first time and that didnt go so well even with that much fire mastery

          • Yoan Dimov

            You can’t just pat him on the back and expect him to wake up. If you listen to the story, it says that he needs the krokonomican to make the dragon titan to wake up and obey him. Without the krokonomican he wouldn’t be able to do that. (Typing on a phone)

  • Necro123

    PLS start making interesting articles again this one is so cheap

    • MatthewLegendCaster

      How it is cheap if it sparks decent discussion in the comments?

      • eqse

        Duelist101=/=Interestingconmentsection101

  • If she didn’t recruit Malistaire, Azteca wouldn’t have fallen.

  • Chase Stormhammer

    What if Deulist101 started actually posting more than once a month.

    • No chill

      I’m glad you enjoy the articles so much that you demand more. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Kek

      What if duelist started posting actual PVP content.

  • Sorcerer OwlHeart

    If Morganthe had not awoken Malistare, she would not have been able to raise the Lords of Night, at least not was quickly, since it is mentioned that Malistare is the reason the undead are rising up in such numbers, and that he is helping her raise the old spirits.

    Then, considering how perfect this world fits the grand prophecy (the horn calls, the sky falls), she would have fought us tooth and nail to try and make her plan work.

    At that point, the fight we would have had in her shadow palace would likely have happened in Azteca, (except without her clones or giant spider background thing) and considering she has shadow magic at her disposal, and we, at that time, did not, that would be one of the hardest battles we would go through in the game (imaging her using shadow shrike or something like dark nova or dark feind while we were still level ninety).

    Further, we would have never gone to khrysalis, -or darkmoor, for that matter- and we would not have the khrysalis crafted gear, morganthes amulets, athames, and rings, shadow magic, the shadow-enhanced spells or the malistare gear.

    Finally, Azteca would still be in once piece, we would be celebrated for our work in both defeating Morganthe, and saving Azteca, and Aztecosaurs would have never journeyed to Skull Island and formed their own little village in Pirate101.

    • Daniel BearFriend

      Not really. Let’s assume we confront Morganthe at some point in Azteca. She reks us out of hand and we’re dead. This is where things get interesting.

      Morganthe then raises us from the dead and uses the effects of that to get the Lords of Night. She then leaves after killing us again. Unfortunately, the barrier has been worn so thin that she can no longer kill us effectively, not in Azteca at any rate.

      Khrysalis then happens as normal.

      • Sorcerer OwlHeart

        So, your implying that we, student wizards, have the same capabilities to continuously summon the undead and awaken centuries-old spirits -even if we have little to no knowledge of necromancy (not everybody decides to train feint)- as Malistare, one of the most powerful necromancers in the spiral, whose research continues to help death wizards to this day (ask any death student about their avenging fossil spell quest).

        We might be capable of taking down powerful opponents, sometimes by ourselves even, but Malistare was a professor of Death Magic for a reason. Morganthe needed someone like Malistare to raise the Lords of Night, and I don’t think we would be an appropriate substitute, no matter how much she twisted us to help her like she did him.

        • Daniel BearFriend

          What I’m trying to say is that summoning someone probably weakens the border between life and death and makes it easier to summon someone else. So Morganthe kills and resummons us over and over to get the Lords of Night and eventually we just don’t stay dead.

          • Sorcerer OwlHeart

            Right, thank you for clarifying. Of course, in order to kill us, and then continuosly resummon us: Morganthe would have to defeat us first, and I don’t think even she could best a whole team of four wizards.

            I dunno, summoning someone who is already dead is one thing, but killing someone in cold blood and then summoning them over and over again? Morganthe talks big, but I’m not sure she has it in her to do that.

          • Daniel BearFriend

            We’re in Azteca. She has Shadow Magic. We don’t.

            Besides, I was assuming she kills us “in cutscene” so there’s no worrying about combat mechanics.

  • Billy Garvey

    When the last PvP guide was 4 months ago

  • Swordroll

    Then he might actually have stayed dead and saved us all the suffering in Darkmoor.

  • Taylor deathhaven

    um so let me get this strait malistare is know alive wouldn’t he be sad and chase do i know you i swear we were friends in the game

  • Taylor deathhaven

    wow wizard101 is changing a lot i starting to hate it

  • Splat!

    Morganthe kills Ambrose

  • Splat!

    Morganton is actually Merle’s daughter

  • Cole Goldenflame

    continue this tbh

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